Talk:Star Trek Continues/Archive 1

Archive 1

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With the second episode, "Lolani" now released, the Star Trek Continues page should no longer redirect to the first episode.

220.239.34.150 (talk) 01:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Sexist?

Moved from User talk:Philip Cross

"Slave girl" is sexist and "female slave" is not? Could you possibly point to some sort of guideline (either wiki or off-wiki) that explains this? (girl bad? female good?) Personally, I'm not one to worry about such nuances, but I'm always curious to understand the thinking of those who do. I'd mention that within the episode she's actually referred to as a "slave girl" but I'm guessing that bit of accuracy is inconsequential if Wikipedia has determinied that "slave girl" is offensive to slave girls... or all girls... or all females? (quite confusing). – JBarta (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

As the character is over the age of majority, "girl" seemed inappropriate. I could not recall references to "Orion woman slave" in discussions of "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" or "Whom Gods Destroy" in the original Star Trekseries, so "girl" initially seemed appropriate in my original addition to the article. Then I stumbled over "Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?" in my twitter timeline and felt guilty for my earlier edit. Wikipedia does not have any guidelines on this issue as far as I know. Philip Cross (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

In The Menagerie, Part II they are refered to as "slave girl". The Cage mentions "green animal women, slaves". In Whom God's Destroy, Marta isn't refered to as anything. She just appears as a hot green woman and we get to figure out the rest. I could also mention that memory-alpha.org also refers to them as "slave girls". Political correctness aside, I would think if the source material refers to them mainly as "slave girls", then we might also consider referring to them as "slave girls."

I also read the article you linked to, and the most interesting thing about it is that while being $17 TRILLION dollars in debt, the US government throws $200,000 to find out why Wikipedia is sexist. I can't help but remember the talk page for Brandon Teena (The girl who pretended to be a boy and then got herself shot by some asshole pretending to be a man). Wikipedia, in all it's (apparent, according to the US govt) sexist glory, bends over backwards to call this person "him" or "her" depending on which stage of her life we were referring to. This practice could lead WP to making a statement something like this... "Before he got pregnant, she grew up with her mother and his wife."

Regarding "age of maturity", I'm reminded of The Golden Girls. Is that sexist? Should they have been "The Golden Females"? "The Golden Women"? That said, it is true that a small minority of grown females object to the term "girls". Then again you can find a small minority of any group that objects to just about anything... which reminds me of the "Politically Correct Christmas Greeting". Such a road we traverse when we try too hard not to offend anyone.... – JBarta (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I still think "girl" jars. That the alliterative title you cite, The Golden Girls, was used over alternatives is understandable, but doesn't suggest a cast iron rule making "girl" acceptable. In any case, the first ST pilot, "The Cage" will be fifty years old by the turn of the year, and Star Trek Continues (rightly), in adding Counsellor Dr. Elise McKennah, makes an appropriate melding with The Next Generation. Attitudes move on. Despite the word "girl" being a direct quote, we are not obliged to use it, and in an unattributed form, it would arguably be inappropriate to do so. Although it looks like an accurate transcript, for the purposes of Wikipedia, the reproduced text of "The Menagerie, Part 2" is not a reliable source (being from an obvious fan site) and may count as a copyright violation. I am sure you know all this, but thanks for the link. Philip Cross (talk) 14:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Another observation... a search for lolani orion female slave yields interesting results. Nearly all instead display the term "slave girl". Searching for lolani orion "female slave" ('female slave' in quotes) yields 9 results while lolani orion "slave girl" ('slave girl' in quotes) yields 9,520 results. That's a lot of jarring. Maybe attitudes haven't moved as much as you might wish them to. As Wikipedia editors, is it our job to reflect attitudes, or to jump out front in an effort to move them in a direction we see fit? How does such bias square with NPOV and verifiability? – JBarta (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Episode synopses are identical to those on IMDB

I've noticed that the synopses of the episodes that appear in the Episodes table are identical to those published on the IMDB pages dedicated to Star Trek Continues. Would you suggest to rewrite these synopsis? LowLevel73 (talk) 22:28, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I've investigated the copyright issue and I've found enough evidence that some synopses were actually copied from IMDB and the Star Trek Continues website. I rewrote them and I added the cclean template on this page. LowLevel73 (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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TV Series vs Web Series

I wonder, why this production is being classified as a TV Series, when it is not on Television, but rather is an internet based series (Web Series). The nomenclature is all wrong for this. I would vote it be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs) 12:36, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

"Star Trek Continues is a fan-created non-canon web series set in the Star Trek universe..." Not seeing it. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 18:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Not debating that, simply debating the classification as a "TV Series". If you look at Clare Kramer, who appeared in the latest episode of the series, it is listed as a TV Series. Pirhounix 18:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs)

NEW Copyright concerns about Star Trek: CONTINUES possible violation of new CBS/Paramount 15-minute rule

I like this Trek fan film, but Star Trek Continues E08 "Still Treads the Shadow" (available VIMEO and also on YOUTUBE) is almost an hour long, well-over the 15-minute limit set by the recent changes in the official guidelines set down by CBS and Paramount back around late June 2016, close to a YEAR ago:

"Guidelines for Avoiding Objections:

1. The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.

2. The title of the fan production or any parts cannot include the name “Star Trek.” However, the title must contain a subtitle with the phrase: “A STAR TREK FAN PRODUCTION” in plain typeface. The fan production cannot use the term “official” in either its title or subtitle or in any marketing, promotions or social media for the fan production."

(Source: http://www.startrek.com/fan-films)

What gives? I don't want ST: Continues to get in any trouble, but they have exceeded the guidelines. How is this possible? What is going on here? Anyone? I'm a long-time Trekkie, and esquiring minds want to know. Thank you.96.59.166.119 (talk) 05:59, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. but this is not a forum for discussion of these issues. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 08:19, 7 May 2017 (UTC)